tom perriello will be in studio with us in the next segment. here we're visiting now with ellen ratner who is head of talk radio news. a service that provides news cut-ins for talk radio hosts all around the country. and also she's the founder of goats for the old goat. that's what we've been talking about this morning. you can join. this is a great thing you can do and provide a goat for some of the poor people in south sudan and it is $60. >> you get your photo with your goat which i personally take when i go there every 12 weeks. >> bill: if you go to the web site, goats for the old goat. dan, you've got it up on your computer. you can see these are villagers with -- >> they're returning slaves. you can name your goat. you can specify who it's for. i take the little pieces of white paper over. we do the whole thing. it is a very hands on operation. >> bill: there's the person who provided this particular goat. this is john cheng. >> you know the recipient. you get a picture of the goat. you know where the goat goes. >> bill: you go to goats